Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Utah Mormons

Why do Utah Mormons always get a bad rap? This is one of my pet peeves: people who diss Mormons from Utah for no valid reason. Sure, I agree there are advantages and disadvantages to living in Utah. I loved growing up in Utah, and I'm glad to be in Iowa now.

Here are some conversations I've had with people about "Utah Mormons". The thing that boggles my mind the most is that all these people who've said these things are generally awesome people.


Matt and me talking to a woman in our ward in Idaho:
Woman: Mormons are just not the same in Utah. My sister lives there and everyone is always trying to keep up with the Jones's. Etc. etc. etc. (I won't bore you with the entire conversation.) 
Matt: Erin, you grew up in Utah. Did you notice that a lot?
Erin: No, I never noticed that people acted like that.
Woman: Oh, but you grew up in the country--not in the Salt Lake Valley.
Erin: (in my head) Since when is Heber not part of Utah?

At Church when I attended BYU-Hawaii:
Senior Missionary: Where are you from?
Erin: I grew up in Utah, but most recently I've been at BYU-Idaho.
Senior Missionary: Oh, so you had to come here (Laie, Hawaii) to learn the gospel.
Erin: Umm, I think I learned the gospel there, too.
Erin: (in my head) Does he think it's impossible to learn the gospel in Utah?

In a meeting for Church:
Gertrude (name changed): When my sons were in the MTC all the Utah missionaries thought they were better than everyone else because they were from Utah. It wasn't until the Utah guys learned that these boys from Iowa lived really close to places like Nauvoo and Winter Quarters that the playing ground became even, per say.
Erin: Silence and a little smile (I wasn't going to waste my breathe on something like this and I didn't really think it was appropriate to get in a "Utah Mormons" debate in a meeting for Church…not that her comment was really appropriate, but…what can ya do.)
Gertrude: Now don't judge me. This is just what my sons all said.
Erin: Half smile and "Oh, don't worry."
Matt (later, after I'd related the conversation): That is probably the dumbest thing I've heard. There is no way that the fact that someone lives close to Nauvoo would be the thing to change a person's attitude about another missionary.

Please, no one get offended by my little ranting. I've never taken real offense to anything anyone's ever said about Utah Mormons. I just think sometimes people categorize others using unfair sweeping generalizations. I'm sure there's Utahans who are materialistic, who don't learn the gospel until they leave Utah, and who think they're better missionaries than everyone else. But I'd say that's the exception, not the rule. Besides, President Hinckley and President Monson were and are "Utah Mormons". Are they so bad?

To further digress and emphasize that I do think there are unique blessings both in Utah and in the "mission field", here's some of the blessings I've noticed from living in Utah and also outside of the Mormon Bubble.

Blessings from living in Utah:
1. Growing up with lots of friends who share your values
2. Attending general conference and other general Church meetings in person on a regular basis
3. Going to release time seminary
4. Accessing Church records, including genealogy records, more easily
5. Finding modest prom dresses
6. Worshipping at the temple more regularly
7. The mountains! (Okay, that's not really a Mormon thing, but I'm missing them right now!)

Blessings from living outside of the Mormon Bubble:
1. Growing up where you have to defend your values with your peers
2. Relying on ward members more and perhaps forming stronger bonds
3. Attending early morning seminary
4. Possibly appreciating your faith to a different level
5. Having more opportunities to share the gospel
6. Gaining greater understanding for people who do not share your faith

11 comments:

Kelly said...

Erin,
Thank you for this post. I have been so frustrated lately by hearing many of the same conversations. I just get so frustrated because I think these UT attributes people are complaining about are found everywhere not just UT and I also agree it is a small number that seem to give us UT momrons a bad rap. Anyway, thanking you for posting exactly what has been on my mind lately.

amber said...

I will most definitely agree with you -- at least on some level - I'm really tired right now, and only a few things stuck out that I actually remember... Anyway... Non-Utah Mormons [I think] are much more faithful and earnest in their endeavors than Utah Mormons. We were recently challenged by our Stake President to read the BOM in 90 days. That time just passed, and this last testimony meeting, so many people bore their testimonies about what a wonderful experience it was. Alec and I, however, did not make the deadline, and as we were discussing it later, we decided it's most likely because we've taken for granted the strength we had/have from being raised in/near Utah. These members out here need to fight really hard for their beliefs (1) because they may not have the support of friends or family and (2) because they haven't been members their whole lives - something else that I think is easily taken for granted. It's been a really great experience out here, and although it has it's moments, I'm really starting to learn a lot from and appreciate my ward more and more every week... So thanks for your "rant". :)

musson said...

I love the Gertrude name!
Just so ya know, I was raised in Ohio and I don't think that way about Utahns!! I remember growing up wanting to live in Utah. People who say that are probably jealous that they didn't grow up with the positive influences around them.
Don't get me wrong as much as I wanted to live in Utah I am grateful that I was raised in Ohio. The outside bubble is definitely what I needed growing up. It was A HUGE CHALLENGE, but it helped me grow and really molded who I am.
I've got your back Erin!! Amber and Kelly... and everyone else who is from Utah!

Ben, Rebecca, Natali, Isaac, Spencer said...

Good rant Erin! It is sad that we generalize and make blanket statements, I know I am totally guilty of doing that. I grew up in San Diego and loved being in the "mission field" but I loved the last 8 years that I lived in Utah. And I really miss the mountains too!

sarita said...

Amen! What I don't get is that people characterize BYU and say it's full of a bunch of crazies from "Utah"----when in reality Provo is full of Mormons who are from everywhere else in the country/world.
Thanks for saying exactly what I've been thinking as well! Can't we all just get along??

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Natali Jolley said...

you go ahead and rant and rave girl. I have only met really nice great members of the church from Utah, and you are one of them. Good job putting us all in our place.

Anonymous said...

Oh sweety I'm sorry you feel that way. I just don't think people have had many positive experiences with people from Utah but it does go both ways. Utah is a great place to live especially Logan and St. George. I really love those two places.

I remember siting a church and a Brother stood up to give his talk. He first started saying that he came from Utah and he and his wife were very suprised to see that there are nice people out 'there'. Oh I forgot to add...'in the mission field'. Not cool.

Now, how am I suppose to take that when I am the 'people' out there. Uh what did you think we were like? I have lived 14 places in my life and I have heard so many people say stupid stuff like that.

I have a lot of family there in Utah who joke about themselves as well. Lot's of people joke. I remember someone saying that I wasn't worthy enough to get pregnant. So yes...I have to say there is a little bit of anger there.

Another thing is I had invited a girl to sit with me in RS because I was new. She knew I was from (VA). She said that she would sit in back of me. I though hey no big deal. Then a girl came and sat next to her and the girl who I asked to sit next to me said, "Where are you from?" The other girl said that she was from Utah. Then the girl said, "Oh thank goodness another person from Utah." Then they were super chatty and wouldn't say a word to me after inviting the girl over for dinner the week before.

I could go on and on but just to let you know there is that stigma.

Oh wait. This is funny...I had a boy friend in high school who was worried about my weight. Yes I was a whole 135 pounds. So fat, please. He later said that after he graduates he was going to play for BYU football and wants to have a cheerleader wife who is willing to run a marathon while four months pregnant like his sister-in-law did. First of all his sister-in-law is stupid for doing such a thing. Why are those the ones that get pregnant? Do you have any idea what that did to me? He said it just like that too. Crazy. Although the funny thing is that he was too horrible to stay on the team and he is still not married living with his parents. Sucka!

After meeting you and a couple of other girls there in Iowa I have grown a love for everyone no matter what. I may not like polically situations there in Utah but that's with a lot of states. ESPECIALLY Washington. Hello 10% sales tax.

I know that there are AMAZING people from Utah. I LOVE THEM and you so much. My best friend in the whole world is right in the heart of SLC.

Just don't take offense because I even have issues with some people in Iowa and Virginia and here and well mostly Portugal.

In fact everyone calls where I live Ken and Barbie land. I'm totally white trash compaired to these Ken and Barbie folks. I must say that I love that they have so many Asians and African Americans here. LOT'S! I would hate for my daughter to be the only black person in our neighborhood.

I need to say this too. I am adopting from Ethiopia where they don't even know the word Mormon. I do feel that if there were a lot more people from Utah willing to live else where that the church would grow a lot faster. Having said that I just want more people to know and learn about the gospel and we can do that if we all just live in one area. That way my little girls birth family and their coming generations can someday learn of the gospel.

You can delete this for sure. I don't have your email but I wanted to know that you are one of the best girls that I have met from Utah and there a lot more from there who are just like you.

I typed this so fast so sorry for the mistakes. Kisses.

bonniejean22 said...

Erin,
I love this post!!! I agree with you. I think people will find what they want, to find out of people(does that make sense?) I think you touch a nerve here with some people;)
Maybe next fast sunday I will get up and say how much I miss utah and the very faithful members there.

kdance said...

Here, here, sistah! I've felt the same. It's kind of funny, the things say about us "Utah Mormons." I really have met so many amazing Mormons/Non-Mormons/Utahns/Iowans, etc., etc. since I've lived here. Can't we all just try to appreciate one another and stop looking for the bad in everyone?

Parkinson Family said...

I used to hear this argument back and forth all the time while going to BYU. Silly silly! Good people are everywhere and shady people are everywhere. Moving 14 times taught me this lesson at a very young age. Like Sara said "can't we all just get along?"